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	<title>Comments on: Top 3 Reasons To Pirate Photoshop</title>
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		<title>By: Adobephile</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-14553</link>
		<dc:creator>Adobephile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adobe's pricing is just outrageous. In the EU at least. After using the student licence I commited myself to legal ways and actually was willing to purchase it. Allas, as it seems the US-pricing was steep but reasonable (and even understandable), but once entering the local Adobe site these prices were blown up with almost 200%!!! Yes thats right, if that's the way Adobe wants to play...... all I got to say for myself is :
ARRRRR ARRRRRHHH matey! ARRRRRRRR!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe&#8217;s pricing is just outrageous. In the EU at least. After using the student licence I commited myself to legal ways and actually was willing to purchase it. Allas, as it seems the US-pricing was steep but reasonable (and even understandable), but once entering the local Adobe site these prices were blown up with almost 200%!!! Yes thats right, if that&#8217;s the way Adobe wants to play&#8230;&#8230; all I got to say for myself is :<br />
ARRRRR ARRRRRHHH matey! ARRRRRRRR!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Vyoma</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13791</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, &lt;strong&gt;tid&lt;/strong&gt;, you have put forward a compelling argument there, and I have only this to say.

It is when you pirate and keep using the multi-billion dollar annual profit corporation's software, you are empowering them to overprice.

Here is how I think of it. It doesn't matter when the 'little guy' pirates software. But when there are only these little guys who are used to working with only the software made by these corporations, there is a market, &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; for those who possess the skills using those software.

You want to put a better case and a stronger hold against these corporations, start using and contributing to open source initiatives (like GIMP when compared to Photoshop). Make it, what one would call an industry norm. That is when they &lt;em&gt;cannot&lt;/em&gt; overprice their software.

That is when you would have made if fair for &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, <strong>tid</strong>, you have put forward a compelling argument there, and I have only this to say.</p>
<p>It is when you pirate and keep using the multi-billion dollar annual profit corporation&#8217;s software, you are empowering them to overprice.</p>
<p>Here is how I think of it. It doesn&#8217;t matter when the &#8216;little guy&#8217; pirates software. But when there are only these little guys who are used to working with only the software made by these corporations, there is a market, <em>only</em> for those who possess the skills using those software.</p>
<p>You want to put a better case and a stronger hold against these corporations, start using and contributing to open source initiatives (like GIMP when compared to Photoshop). Make it, what one would call an industry norm. That is when they <em>cannot</em> overprice their software.</p>
<p>That is when you would have made if fair for <em>everyone</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: tid</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13784</link>
		<dc:creator>tid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think too many people kiss up to money and power, espousing the belief that you only "deserve" something if you can "afford" it.  What does that mean, anyway?  That is an elitist (or wanna be elitist) mentality that ignores the fact that most wealth in this world is either inherited or built on the premise of exploiting and/or excluding the weak, in some cases to the extent of child-labor and slavery.  

When you look at it from that point of view, any corporation with multi-billion dollar annual profits and fat cats at the helm that excludes the struggling little guy from being competitive in business by wantonly overpricing the laborless copy fees of their so-called intellectual property, so that they can go from rich to richer, is more  of an "immoral" bane to society than end-user piracy.  

The little guy is just trying to get his fair share.  The idea that only the rich are noble and deserving of good things is a propagandist sham.  Ask for reasonable compensation for reasonable labor, stop kissing up to the rich and powerful, share and share alike... and the world will be a better place.  :D

Notice how Adobe reduces the price ONLY when they see a poor market (as in China) that is driven to piracy for sheer survival... then they sweep in like vultures and try to bleed as much money out of the situation as they can.  Suddenly, they are rewarding the "immoral" behavior with a discount?

"Immorality" is sometimes not such a black and white phenomenon.  I personally think piracy is fueled by years of debauchery and immoral behavior on the side of shameless, greedy, exploitative copyright holders such as the RIAA, and this is their comeuppance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think too many people kiss up to money and power, espousing the belief that you only &#8220;deserve&#8221; something if you can &#8220;afford&#8221; it.  What does that mean, anyway?  That is an elitist (or wanna be elitist) mentality that ignores the fact that most wealth in this world is either inherited or built on the premise of exploiting and/or excluding the weak, in some cases to the extent of child-labor and slavery.  </p>
<p>When you look at it from that point of view, any corporation with multi-billion dollar annual profits and fat cats at the helm that excludes the struggling little guy from being competitive in business by wantonly overpricing the laborless copy fees of their so-called intellectual property, so that they can go from rich to richer, is more  of an &#8220;immoral&#8221; bane to society than end-user piracy.  </p>
<p>The little guy is just trying to get his fair share.  The idea that only the rich are noble and deserving of good things is a propagandist sham.  Ask for reasonable compensation for reasonable labor, stop kissing up to the rich and powerful, share and share alike&#8230; and the world will be a better place.  <img src='http://kalaalog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Notice how Adobe reduces the price ONLY when they see a poor market (as in China) that is driven to piracy for sheer survival&#8230; then they sweep in like vultures and try to bleed as much money out of the situation as they can.  Suddenly, they are rewarding the &#8220;immoral&#8221; behavior with a discount?</p>
<p>&#8220;Immorality&#8221; is sometimes not such a black and white phenomenon.  I personally think piracy is fueled by years of debauchery and immoral behavior on the side of shameless, greedy, exploitative copyright holders such as the RIAA, and this is their comeuppance.</p>
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		<title>By: Vyoma</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13119</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, &lt;strong&gt;Primetime&lt;/strong&gt; - if the outlook you want to take is of &lt;em&gt;stick it to the man&lt;/em&gt;, then I think it would be more effective if we started using GIMP and other resources.

It is when we go to the extend of piracy/stealing to use a software, then it is us who is creating this demand for Photoshop giving Adobe the monopoly on pricing their software.  

What we have to do is, not depend on Photoshop for our workflow - make extensive use of alternatives, and influence others to do the same, then Adobe has competition.

The demand we create in the market makes them not to lower their prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, <strong>Primetime</strong> - if the outlook you want to take is of <em>stick it to the man</em>, then I think it would be more effective if we started using GIMP and other resources.</p>
<p>It is when we go to the extend of piracy/stealing to use a software, then it is us who is creating this demand for Photoshop giving Adobe the monopoly on pricing their software.  </p>
<p>What we have to do is, not depend on Photoshop for our workflow - make extensive use of alternatives, and influence others to do the same, then Adobe has competition.</p>
<p>The demand we create in the market makes them not to lower their prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Primetime</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13106</link>
		<dc:creator>Primetime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stealing from Adobe is like stealing from Enron. It's really hard to feel guilty for pirating their software, even if you call it stealing. If they charged $25 for Photoshop, I might agree with you. I'd use the GIMP, but I've already read books and watched training videos on how to use Photoshop. I've also customized it with plug-ins. My friend told me to use Photoshop a few years ago and I know any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stealing from Adobe is like stealing from Enron. It&#8217;s really hard to feel guilty for pirating their software, even if you call it stealing. If they charged $25 for Photoshop, I might agree with you. I&#8217;d use the GIMP, but I&#8217;ve already read books and watched training videos on how to use Photoshop. I&#8217;ve also customized it with plug-ins. My friend told me to use Photoshop a few years ago and I know any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Vyoma</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-12909</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a book is sold, it carries a price not because of the medium (the physical materials), but for the effort put in by the author. I do not see why software creators should be deprived of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a book is sold, it carries a price not because of the medium (the physical materials), but for the effort put in by the author. I do not see why software creators should be deprived of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacobus</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-12906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacobus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 07:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Software like photoshop has UNLIMITED "COPIES"

a book doesn't. it needs physical materials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Software like photoshop has UNLIMITED &#8220;COPIES&#8221;</p>
<p>a book doesn&#8217;t. it needs physical materials.</p>
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		<title>By: Vyoma</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-12696</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good argument there, &lt;strong&gt;Mike&lt;/strong&gt;, though I do not agree to the fact that it cannot be called theft. Just because software is intangible and copies can be made with nominal expense, it does not mean that not paying for the software is not theft.

When a software creator is not paid for the software when someone else uses it, then I class it as 'theft'. Seems like we cannot come to an agreement between this difference in view, so we can leave it at that.

On a more curious note, what is the cut-off price for a piece of software, above which do you think priacy is allowable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good argument there, <strong>Mike</strong>, though I do not agree to the fact that it cannot be called theft. Just because software is intangible and copies can be made with nominal expense, it does not mean that not paying for the software is not theft.</p>
<p>When a software creator is not paid for the software when someone else uses it, then I class it as &#8216;theft&#8217;. Seems like we cannot come to an agreement between this difference in view, so we can leave it at that.</p>
<p>On a more curious note, what is the cut-off price for a piece of software, above which do you think priacy is allowable?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-12685</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piracy is not the same as theft.  If you steal something from me, I lose it.  If I write a program, and you take it without paying, I don't lose anything.  I don't gain, but I don't lose.  

If a non-professional individual, the kind who would never pay 1000 dollars for Photoshop (or even 100 dollars!) pirates a copy, Adobe doesn't lose a dime.  In fact they make money.  How?  Free marketing.   That person will help popularize the product.   If I were Adobe, I would give the product for free to non-professionals.

By pricing its software so high, Adobe makes it clear that their target customers are corporations, not individuals.  Consider video games, which often cost a lot more to make and earn much higher profits than Photoshop or similar products.  At 50 bucks, they are priced for individuals, and a strong case can be made against game piracy, because if you pirate and play a game you *are* the kind of person that would have gone out and bought it, and therefore, the company that made it deserves that money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piracy is not the same as theft.  If you steal something from me, I lose it.  If I write a program, and you take it without paying, I don&#8217;t lose anything.  I don&#8217;t gain, but I don&#8217;t lose.  </p>
<p>If a non-professional individual, the kind who would never pay 1000 dollars for Photoshop (or even 100 dollars!) pirates a copy, Adobe doesn&#8217;t lose a dime.  In fact they make money.  How?  Free marketing.   That person will help popularize the product.   If I were Adobe, I would give the product for free to non-professionals.</p>
<p>By pricing its software so high, Adobe makes it clear that their target customers are corporations, not individuals.  Consider video games, which often cost a lot more to make and earn much higher profits than Photoshop or similar products.  At 50 bucks, they are priced for individuals, and a strong case can be made against game piracy, because if you pirate and play a game you *are* the kind of person that would have gone out and bought it, and therefore, the company that made it deserves that money.</p>
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		<title>By: Vyoma</title>
		<link>http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-12479</link>
		<dc:creator>Vyoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can actually relate to you, in terms of availability of tutorials for GIMP, &lt;strong&gt;Fern&lt;/strong&gt;. That was one of my initial drives for starting this blog (and still is).

If we are not looking for specific photo-manipulations, then GIMP can do almost what Photoshop can do - at you can follow those Photoshop tutorials.

:) And practice works too. No matter what the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can actually relate to you, in terms of availability of tutorials for GIMP, <strong>Fern</strong>. That was one of my initial drives for starting this blog (and still is).</p>
<p>If we are not looking for specific photo-manipulations, then GIMP can do almost what Photoshop can do - at you can follow those Photoshop tutorials.</p>
<p> <img src='http://kalaalog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> And practice works too. No matter what the software.</p>
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