Comments on: Top 3 Reasons To Pirate Photoshop http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/ About The Arts Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:05:26 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Vyoma http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-26983 Vyoma Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:09:24 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-26983 Well, <strong>Nulflux</strong>. I am not able to watch that video: <blockquote>Sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed from within the United States </blockquote> Well, Nulflux. I am not able to watch that video:
Sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed from within the United States

]]> By: Nulflux http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-26976 Nulflux Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:40:42 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-26976 I was fortunate enough to find a newly released documentary that explains this entire situation much better than any comments posted here. Vyoma, I urge you to view the video and then post back your thoughts. I understand that this video relates to the media industry and not software specifically - but the concepts that are conveyed could similarly apply. Video Link: (Hulu) RiP! A Remix Manifesto 2009 | Not Rated http://www.hulu.com/watch/88782/rip-a-remix-manifesto?c=News-and-Information I was fortunate enough to find a newly released documentary that explains this entire situation much better than any comments posted here. Vyoma, I urge you to view the video and then post back your thoughts. I understand that this video relates to the media industry and not software specifically – but the concepts that are conveyed could similarly apply.

Video Link: (Hulu) RiP! A Remix Manifesto 2009 | Not Rated
http://www.hulu.com/watch/88782/rip-a-remix-manifesto?c=News-and-Information

]]> By: Tara http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-26830 Tara Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:55:39 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-26830 Hell yes it's immoral, ONLY if you plan on making a profit off of what you make from said pirated software. Find a college student, pay them 200 dollars to buy you photoshop, or if you're a student or a teacher do it yourself. It's well worth the money. Hell yes it’s immoral, ONLY if you plan on making a profit off of what you make from said pirated software. Find a college student, pay them 200 dollars to buy you photoshop, or if you’re a student or a teacher do it yourself. It’s well worth the money.

]]> By: Rob http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-21454 Rob Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:40:19 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-21454 Why learn to drive a Pinto if you're going to be using a Ferrari? Easy: if something happens to the Pinto, it's no big loss. The same can't be said for software. You're better off learning with the software you're going to be using and investing more of your time in skill and technique than you will by learning the button layout of a dozen applications and searching for plugins. The pricing of Photoshop is up to Adobe, but it is tantamount to usury against the low income base and the natural response in an easy-to-copy medium is piracy. As far as morals are concerned, once you decide to sell your first work, you should buy it. Why learn to drive a Pinto if you’re going to be using a Ferrari? Easy: if something happens to the Pinto, it’s no big loss. The same can’t be said for software. You’re better off learning with the software you’re going to be using and investing more of your time in skill and technique than you will by learning the button layout of a dozen applications and searching for plugins.

The pricing of Photoshop is up to Adobe, but it is tantamount to usury against the low income base and the natural response in an easy-to-copy medium is piracy.

As far as morals are concerned, once you decide to sell your first work, you should buy it.

]]> By: imortalhaggis http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-18655 imortalhaggis Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:19:46 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-18655 If the question is morality, then we need a strict definition of "stealing" as most moral codes would not condone stealing. As an artist, I deal with copyright issue all the time. It is unfortunate not to secure a contract that ensures the author's(me in this case) control over future sales of the product and subsequent royalties at times of resale. Certainly with more money and a copyright lawyer, I too might be able to deactivate unauthorized reproductions of my paintings(maybe a sort of self destruct mechanism, but a kind one). If I don't create that contract, however, down the line a collector or even gallery owner might sell my product for astounding amounts of money without anything in it for me right? But there is. Copyright extends itself only so far partly because of the beneficial aspects of copyright infringement. My paintings would now have greater market value. Adobe and other companies inflate the prices of the software to partly subsidize the "losses" experienced from pirate hobbyists, but secure their status as industry standard in the process. That is pure marketing genius and actually benefits the company. The "losses" are simply a reason to inflate the prices for professional users, who when confronted with the fear of suit and loss of business, are not the suspect pirates. The mere proliferation of the product creates it's inherent value and that of the author company. So, stealing can and is defined by the English language according to Webster in a few ways. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steal in def. 3 one steals the basketball in the context of a game. This would be a positive ability. Def. 1 denotes a moral significance to taking something that someone else doesn't want you to take. My argument is that Adobe does want the hobbyist to take the product to help proliferate it's use in creating an industry standard which increases the value of the product for legitimate inflated sales and ensures longevity. It looks as though Adobe is the better basketball player because they are dribbling to the hoop and we're all standing at half court wondering if we did something wrong. If the question is morality, then we need a strict definition of “stealing” as most moral codes would not condone stealing. As an artist, I deal with copyright issue all the time. It is unfortunate not to secure a contract that ensures the author’s(me in this case) control over future sales of the product and subsequent royalties at times of resale. Certainly with more money and a copyright lawyer, I too might be able to deactivate unauthorized reproductions of my paintings(maybe a sort of self destruct mechanism, but a kind one).
If I don’t create that contract, however, down the line a collector or even gallery owner might sell my product for astounding amounts of money without anything in it for me right? But there is. Copyright extends itself only so far partly because of the beneficial aspects of copyright infringement. My paintings would now have greater market value.

Adobe and other companies inflate the prices of the software to partly subsidize the “losses” experienced from pirate hobbyists, but secure their status as industry standard in the process. That is pure marketing genius and actually benefits the company. The “losses” are simply a reason to inflate the prices for professional users, who when confronted with the fear of suit and loss of business, are not the suspect pirates. The mere proliferation of the product creates it’s inherent value and that of the author company.
So, stealing can and is defined by the English language according to Webster in a few ways.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steal

in def. 3 one steals the basketball in the context of a game. This would be a positive ability. Def. 1 denotes a moral significance to taking something that someone else doesn’t want you to take. My argument is that Adobe does want the hobbyist to take the product to help proliferate it’s use in creating an industry standard which increases the value of the product for legitimate inflated sales and ensures longevity. It looks as though Adobe is the better basketball player because they are dribbling to the hoop and we’re all standing at half court wondering if we did something wrong.

]]> By: Adobephile http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-14553 Adobephile Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:32:51 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-14553 Adobe's pricing is just outrageous. In the EU at least. After using the student licence I commited myself to legal ways and actually was willing to purchase it. Allas, as it seems the US-pricing was steep but reasonable (and even understandable), but once entering the local Adobe site these prices were blown up with almost 200%!!! Yes thats right, if that's the way Adobe wants to play...... all I got to say for myself is : ARRRRR ARRRRRHHH matey! ARRRRRRRR!!!!!! Adobe’s pricing is just outrageous. In the EU at least. After using the student licence I commited myself to legal ways and actually was willing to purchase it. Allas, as it seems the US-pricing was steep but reasonable (and even understandable), but once entering the local Adobe site these prices were blown up with almost 200%!!! Yes thats right, if that’s the way Adobe wants to play…… all I got to say for myself is :
ARRRRR ARRRRRHHH matey! ARRRRRRRR!!!!!!

]]> By: Vyoma http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-13791 Vyoma Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:24:45 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13791 Well, <strong>tid</strong>, you have put forward a compelling argument there, and I have only this to say. It is when you pirate and keep using the multi-billion dollar annual profit corporation's software, you are empowering them to overprice. Here is how I think of it. It doesn't matter when the 'little guy' pirates software. But when there are only these little guys who are used to working with only the software made by these corporations, there is a market, <em>only</em> for those who possess the skills using those software. You want to put a better case and a stronger hold against these corporations, start using and contributing to open source initiatives (like GIMP when compared to Photoshop). Make it, what one would call an industry norm. That is when they <em>cannot</em> overprice their software. That is when you would have made if fair for <em>everyone</em>. Well, tid, you have put forward a compelling argument there, and I have only this to say.

It is when you pirate and keep using the multi-billion dollar annual profit corporation’s software, you are empowering them to overprice.

Here is how I think of it. It doesn’t matter when the ‘little guy’ pirates software. But when there are only these little guys who are used to working with only the software made by these corporations, there is a market, only for those who possess the skills using those software.

You want to put a better case and a stronger hold against these corporations, start using and contributing to open source initiatives (like GIMP when compared to Photoshop). Make it, what one would call an industry norm. That is when they cannot overprice their software.

That is when you would have made if fair for everyone.

]]> By: tid http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-13784 tid Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:54:39 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13784 I think too many people kiss up to money and power, espousing the belief that you only "deserve" something if you can "afford" it. What does that mean, anyway? That is an elitist (or wanna be elitist) mentality that ignores the fact that most wealth in this world is either inherited or built on the premise of exploiting and/or excluding the weak, in some cases to the extent of child-labor and slavery. When you look at it from that point of view, any corporation with multi-billion dollar annual profits and fat cats at the helm that excludes the struggling little guy from being competitive in business by wantonly overpricing the laborless copy fees of their so-called intellectual property, so that they can go from rich to richer, is more of an "immoral" bane to society than end-user piracy. The little guy is just trying to get his fair share. The idea that only the rich are noble and deserving of good things is a propagandist sham. Ask for reasonable compensation for reasonable labor, stop kissing up to the rich and powerful, share and share alike... and the world will be a better place. :D Notice how Adobe reduces the price ONLY when they see a poor market (as in China) that is driven to piracy for sheer survival... then they sweep in like vultures and try to bleed as much money out of the situation as they can. Suddenly, they are rewarding the "immoral" behavior with a discount? "Immorality" is sometimes not such a black and white phenomenon. I personally think piracy is fueled by years of debauchery and immoral behavior on the side of shameless, greedy, exploitative copyright holders such as the RIAA, and this is their comeuppance. I think too many people kiss up to money and power, espousing the belief that you only “deserve” something if you can “afford” it. What does that mean, anyway? That is an elitist (or wanna be elitist) mentality that ignores the fact that most wealth in this world is either inherited or built on the premise of exploiting and/or excluding the weak, in some cases to the extent of child-labor and slavery.

When you look at it from that point of view, any corporation with multi-billion dollar annual profits and fat cats at the helm that excludes the struggling little guy from being competitive in business by wantonly overpricing the laborless copy fees of their so-called intellectual property, so that they can go from rich to richer, is more of an “immoral” bane to society than end-user piracy.

The little guy is just trying to get his fair share. The idea that only the rich are noble and deserving of good things is a propagandist sham. Ask for reasonable compensation for reasonable labor, stop kissing up to the rich and powerful, share and share alike… and the world will be a better place. :D

Notice how Adobe reduces the price ONLY when they see a poor market (as in China) that is driven to piracy for sheer survival… then they sweep in like vultures and try to bleed as much money out of the situation as they can. Suddenly, they are rewarding the “immoral” behavior with a discount?

“Immorality” is sometimes not such a black and white phenomenon. I personally think piracy is fueled by years of debauchery and immoral behavior on the side of shameless, greedy, exploitative copyright holders such as the RIAA, and this is their comeuppance.

]]> By: Vyoma http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-13119 Vyoma Thu, 15 May 2008 05:03:32 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13119 Well, <strong>Primetime</strong> - if the outlook you want to take is of <em>stick it to the man</em>, then I think it would be more effective if we started using GIMP and other resources. It is when we go to the extend of piracy/stealing to use a software, then it is us who is creating this demand for Photoshop giving Adobe the monopoly on pricing their software. What we have to do is, not depend on Photoshop for our workflow - make extensive use of alternatives, and influence others to do the same, then Adobe has competition. The demand we create in the market makes them not to lower their prices. Well, Primetime – if the outlook you want to take is of stick it to the man, then I think it would be more effective if we started using GIMP and other resources.

It is when we go to the extend of piracy/stealing to use a software, then it is us who is creating this demand for Photoshop giving Adobe the monopoly on pricing their software.

What we have to do is, not depend on Photoshop for our workflow – make extensive use of alternatives, and influence others to do the same, then Adobe has competition.

The demand we create in the market makes them not to lower their prices.

]]> By: Primetime http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-13106 Primetime Thu, 15 May 2008 00:10:24 +0000 http://kalaalog.com/2007/07/19/top-3-reasons-to-priate-photoshop/#comment-13106 Stealing from Adobe is like stealing from Enron. It's really hard to feel guilty for pirating their software, even if you call it stealing. If they charged $25 for Photoshop, I might agree with you. I'd use the GIMP, but I've already read books and watched training videos on how to use Photoshop. I've also customized it with plug-ins. My friend told me to use Photoshop a few years ago and I know any better. Stealing from Adobe is like stealing from Enron. It’s really hard to feel guilty for pirating their software, even if you call it stealing. If they charged $25 for Photoshop, I might agree with you. I’d use the GIMP, but I’ve already read books and watched training videos on how to use Photoshop. I’ve also customized it with plug-ins. My friend told me to use Photoshop a few years ago and I know any better.

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